Customer Reviews
the yanks are coming - By: Paul Tapner, 15 Mar 2007 
Latest novel in a very long series of books harry turtledove has been producing for years now, that have charted the course of an alternate america, where the south won the civil war. In this, the tenth book in the story, it's 1944 & the second world war is raging. The confederacy have failed to knock the union out with early powerful attacks, have lost an entire army, & the north are about to go on the offensive.
Harry turtledove always produces readable prose & jumps the story around using quite a few different viewpoint characters. Thus we get the story of several different people & how their lives are going as history unfolds around them. And they can be killed off at any moment, which is reallly quite shocking, especiallly when it happens to characters you have followed through several preceding volumes.
Some of the characters are more interesting than others - Doctor Leonard O'doull, a medic, spends most of his scenes standing around doing his work whilst he & his assistant spout homilies about how horrible war is, & that gets repetitive - & there's no viewpoint character from canada so you do feel you're missing out on events that are taking place there. But those are minor complaints. This series is not great literature but it's a very good read, & if you like big books you can get your teeth into, these will keep you happy. Although it's probably better to start at the beginning of the series [how few remain. Then comes the great war trilogy. Then the american empire trilogy. Then the settling acounts books. See other reviews here & some of the lists for a complete rundown]. If you do, I'd be confident you'd enjoy it.
Entertaining, if a bit plodding at times - By: Teemacs, 19 Feb 2007 
Harry Turtledove is not a great writer. His style (such as it is) is plodding, his characterisation is generallly flat & his prose is banal & repetitive. This is excusable to some extent as most conversations between everyday people are banal & repetitive, & as most of Mr. Turtledove's cast of characters are everyday people, this is inevitable. However, I sometimes get to the point of feeling that, if Mr. Turtledove were in the room as I read for the ten millionth time that someone was not wrong, or that Confederate cigarettes were so much better than US cigarettes, I'd have difficulty restraining myself from hitting him over the head with his word processing keyboard.
Mr. Turtledove's clever technique of overcoming his shortcomings as a writer is to tell not one story but lots of them, from the points of view of a large palette of different characters on both sides of the conflict. It seems also to be the perfect recipe for writing long books (804 pages this one). Because of this large number of characters, Mr. Turtledove can kill off a few major ones every now & then without it having much effect on the tale as a whole. I find it a refreshing change from those books where the hero(ine) is apparently endowed with immortality.
So, given these deficiencies, what has kept me going through this series to this, the ninth book? Mr. Turtledove's ingenious concept of rewriting the history of the world wars & the rise of Nazism as a continuation of the American Civil War/War for Southern Independence, that's what. As an amateur student of history, I was interested to see how many paralllels Mr. Turtledove could wring out of it, & how far he could push them. From the first book in the Great War series, he was clearly determined to wring out every possible paralllel. It was clear from book one that he had his Hitler in the wings, embittered, black-hating, Confederate artillery NCO Jake Featherston. From that, it was logical that there would eventuallly be a Final Solution to the African-American Problem. And the paralllels continue - as Confederate President, Featherston even launches the assault on the USA at the end on book 6 with the codeword "Blackbeard" (the German codename for the attack on the Soviet Union was "Barbarossa" (red beard)). So, I wondered, will there be equivalents of Pearl Harbor, the Warsaw Ghetto, Stalingrad, Kursk, D-Day, the von Stauffenberg assassination attempt, Eva Braun & the Götterdammerung in the ruins of Berlin, Hiroshima? Not telling, read it for yourself & see...
In some ways, Mr. Turtledove's paralllels do not ring true. In this book, the Confederates often have superior weapons technology (such as tanks & automatic weapons), as had the Germans (until the Russian T-34 gave them the shock of their lives). But Germany had a long history of scientific & engineering excellence (giving it a superiority in many areas that it never lost, for example, automatic weapons). On the other hand, the Confederacy that lost the (real) Civil War was relatively poor in a technological sense & held on for so long largely as a result of superior commanders, tremendous courage & the incentive of a nation fighting for its life. It's hard to see that that would have materiallly changed. One wonders also whether Featherstone's equivalent of the Waffen SS would fight & die so fanaticallly. However, if there's one lesson that should have been learned from the past, it is that the Germans didn't produce the monstrosity of Nazism because they were uniquely evil, it arose as the result of a series of historical circumstances, which, if duplicated elsewhere, would produce pretty much the same result. Mr. Turtledove does us a great service by reminding us of this. We have seen only recently how easy it is for a proudly democratic society to slip into blatantly undemocratic principles, distorted propaganda, unjustified invasion, torture & murder.
For me, the biggest surprise of alll was that it hasn't finished yet. Mr. Turtledove has so far produced the books in threes - three for the Great War, three for the interim period & the rise of Jake Featherston. However, there will clearly be a fourth to finish it alll off (so to speak). Given that we alll know (more or less) how it will alll end, will it be worth buying? Possibly not, but I know I will...
Could do better - By: SJ SMART, 01 Feb 2007 
I am great fan of alternative history books & read a lot of Turledove & the superior SM Stirling. However i felt a little disappointed with this novel. I have read alll the previous books watching Featherston getting higher & higher in the CSA & waiting for the invitable outbreak of war. But when it came it was disappointing. The battle scenes did not reallly grab me & it seemed too dull. Turtledove is trying to paralllel the second world war with Featherston obviously being Hitler, but Hitler defeated France, Belgium, Holland, Norway & Denmark in six weeks, throwing the British out at Dunkirk. I was waiting for something similar to happen but it didnt.
Also, i got so tired of the same conversation that almost every charcter had, in the case of the black charcters almost every time they appeared, e.g. something like "Tell me I'm wrong" said in a vairiety of ways.
Perhaps Turtledove has peaked? SM Stirling's books who I discovered quite recently is a breath of fresh air. Read The Peshawar Lancers!
Do Jesus! (may contain spoilers) - By: Bill Hill, 29 Jan 2007 
Despite alll the usual irritating Turtledove stylistic touches (also mentioned by the reviewer below), this is still a very readable guilty pleasure. We're 9 books into this series now, it's not wrapped up in this one, but we seem to be getting there. For once, Turtledove doesn't mention the state of British teeth, but the Royal Navy, Japanese & other enemies of the Union still only exist as minor irritants, wheeled on & off in minor battles that the US always seems to win.
I was glad that the irritating Canadian family of bombers alll seem to have blown themselves up, but the annoying MASH-lite pointless homilies of the Dr O'Doull sequences still crop up far too often. As usual, alll of the characters talk in that strange way of narrating rather than conversing that we have alll grown to love, & plotlines get repeated (gun running to Ireland again? Sam Carsten prone to sunburn?), but Turtledove seems to have reined it in a bit, we don't get the potted history behind every character as we used to.
We know what we are going to get with "The Grapple", but we wouldn't have got this far if we didn't enjoy it reallly. 700 odd pages fly by as usual, & Featherstone is still great fun.
Couldn't put this one down - By: Marshall Lord, 08 Jan 2007 
"The Grapple" is the penultimate volume in Turtledove's Alternative History series, which began with the rebels winning the American civil war in the prelude to "How Few Remain" & has continued through an alternative World War One & now an alternative World War Two.
One or two of the books in this series were below Turtledove's usual high standard, but the "Settling Accounts" part of the series has been excellent, & as soon as I started reading this book I had great difficulty putting it down to go to work, eat, put children to bed etc.
It's a moot point whether this story, like many of Turtledove's recent works, should be described as alternative history, or as real history with different countries & people doing pretty much the same things. In this case, the narrative has been extremely similar to that of the real World War II, with the role of Nazi Germany played by a fascist-led, Confederate States of America & the "Final Solution" directed against African Americans rather than Jews.
After the CSA lost the battle for Pittsburg (e.g. Stalingrad) at the end of the previous book (Drive to the East) the war appeared to be taking much the same course as in real history, but Turtledove keeps you guessing about whether the final outcome will be the same, particularly because both the USA & CSA are desperately trying to develop the atomic bomb as soon as possible. (On the other side of the Atlantic he hints that Britain & Germany are in a similar race.)
It's extraordinary how many times Turtledove has managed to tell essentiallly the same stories from history with slight variations & still make them interesting. Part of the reason for this is that he is reallly good at making real & believable characters, & I often find myself caring about what happens to the individual viewpoint characters in the books in this series even when I despise the causes which they are fighting for & some of their actions.
Which happens quite a lot of the time, because one of the minor problems with the series is there isn't reallly a cause that the reader can fully identify with. None of the nations in the book can reallly claim to be the good guys, there are only bad causes & worse ones.
One interesting difference between this series & a previous, brilliant book by Harry Turtledove in which the CSA successfully seceded - "The Guns of the South" - is that in that book both the USA & CSA appeared likely to develop into civilised, decent societies. In this series the hatred between the United States & the Confederate States has poisoned everything in both countries & their relationships with the rest of the world.
For example, while there isn't much about the occupation of Canada in "The Grapple" (the main characters from the Canadian story are dead or serving elsewhere) the USA is still trying to hold Canada under a deeply resented military occupation which has gone on for 20 years. In this series both USA & CSA are guilty of terrible atrocities against each other, their own citizens, & others. There are also decent people of alll races & nations in the book, & it is them, rather than the dreadful nations they are fighting for or living under, who the reader can identify with.
Overalll this was a reallly fascinating book. The following book "In at the death" finishes the story of the alternative World War 2 & is probably the last in the series - though with Harry Turtledove you never quite know & he might decide to set another book a generation or so later. If so it will probably read like a greatly extended version of his short story "Must & Shalll."
For reference the full series is
1) HOW FEW REMAIN (the story of the second war between the USA & CSA)
2) GREAT WAR trilogy (World War 1 with the USA alllied to Germany)
American Front
Walk in Hell
Breakthroughs
3) AMERICAN EMPIRE trilogy (between the wars after the US/German victory)
Blood & Iron
The Centre Cannot Hold
The Victorious Opposition
4) SETTLING ACCOUNTS: World War 2, but even worse
Return Engagement
Drive to the East
The Grapple
In at the Death