Customer Reviews
The Argumentative Professor? - By: Aditya, 19 Sep 2007 
According to Indian tradition, a dialogue can be of three types: 'vaad', or a discussion, which seeks to understand the opponent's point of view & explain one's own in order to reach the truth; 'vivaad' or an argument, which seeks to impose one's own point of view over that of the other; & the third, 'vitandavaad', which merely seeks to demolish the other person's views, without reallly offering any alternative system. Mr. Sen has, therefore, titled the book quite accurately, except that unwittingly he has thus revealed his own self-perception. An argumentative intellectual - not seeking the truth, but merely propagating his own views.
Mr. Sen seeks to demonstrate that India is a multi-hued society of many shades & composite cultures. It is also wrongly seen as primarily a spiritual culture, as it has many other talents as well. This is quite elementary. In order to do so, he ranges over a vast number of topics, & offers extremely interesting information about a number of them. He has a typicallly wry sense of humor, which is rather appreciable. He also has an axe to grind, which keeps making a screeching distraction throughout.
That axe is his grudge against the hard-line Hindu politics, particularly the BJP, RSS & its assorted alllies. This keeps getting in his way, & he keeps making short raids to take pot shots at them. This becomes irritating after a little while. In reality, BJP / RSS do not influence or define Indian culture to the extent that we must become obsessed with them to the point of distraction. One also finds that this grudge leads him to constantly twist arguments & facts, in order to enable him to take a better shot at his arch-enemies: BJP/RSS.
Coming back to his argumentativeness, we find that he repeatedly mentions Javali, & his advice to Lord Rama in Valmiki's Ramayana. On page xi-xii, he mentions that Javali, who was critical of Lord Rama, has been given a lot of space in Ramayana. Then again on page 26, he gives him a full para, describing Javali's advice in great detail. We meet Javali again on page 47, & are told that he callled Lord Rama's actions as 'foolish'. Javali pops up again on page 159, with the same advice.
Two issues arise out of Mr. Sen's treatment of Javali: 1. He does not mention the context in which Javali made these statements. Javali has come to the forest to persuade Lord Rama to return to Ayodhya & assume Kingship after his father's death. 2. He does not mention Lord Rama's subsequent reasoned rebuttal of Javali's arguments, & Javali's hasty & abject turn-around (in his anger, Rama concludes by suggesting that atheists such as Javali should be put to death).
Javali then says that he was merely making up these arguments, in order to persuade Lord Rama to return to Ayodhya - he goes on to mention that this is permitted as a tactic to achieve a desirable end, & Rama should not think poorly of him.
To continue: Mr. Sen approvingly emphasizes that Ramayana gives a lot of space to Javali, who is propounding a counterview to the main argument of Ramayana. Mr. Sen's thesis also is that India is a land of many cultures, & alll people have a right to voice their views & be heard. However, Mr. Sen himself is unable to hold up this great tradition of `poorva paksh' & `uttara paksh' (roughly prior-view & post-view). He does not present or reproduce the arguments of his opponents at alll. And when he mentions these, he does it in such disparaging & value-loaded terms that you do not at alll get an idea of what their argument was.
This, in my view, is a definite demonstration of his approach & objective: to impose his own views over that of others. This is the objective of an argument - where the other person is not convinced, he merely shuts up, unable to counter it properly, in the face of superior intellect or argumentative skills.
Let us now look at his facts, as presented in 'India through Its Calendars'. He tells us that the Saka era is the most widely used indigenous calendar in India: it is not. It is used mainly in some Southern parts of India & Maharashtra. Northern & Central states, as also Gujarat, use the Vikram era, which is also used in Nepal. Bengal uses the Bangla era.
Then he goes on to set up a straw man of the Kaliyuga calendar dating based on Whitaker's almanac. Mr. Sen states that according to Whitaker's Alamanac, Gregorian year 2000 corresponded with Year 6001 in the Kaliyuga calendar. Actuallly, according to Whitaker's, it corresponded with Year 5101 (see Hindu_calendar - Regional_variants at Wikipedia.org). He then devotes considerable space to first proving that this was right, as this is the 'official date of the Kaliyuga calendar'. Here he makes an elementary arithmetical error referring to Calendar Reform Committee & making it sound as if 5055+46 is rightly equal to 6001! Then he goes on to prove that the calendar is off - it should actuallly be Kaliyuga 5101 !! This, I suspect, was done in order to hurriedly get into position to take a pot-shot at `Indian chauvinists' (p.322, 323, last para). Unfortunately, he seems to have shot himself in the foot (or put his foot in the mouth, to mix the metaphors a little).
We are also told that the Indian calendars were mainly secular calendar systems, which were used for alll purposes, including religious ones. This is quite a confusing statement. In the Indian tradition, secularism had no place or need. The king also had religious advisers, who guided him on alll political as well as religious affairs. Secondly, these calendars were designed & maintained mainly by Brahmin priests, who used them to identify correct times for various religious rituals, as well as to predict auspicious moments for important business & state matters.
Then we are told that the `mala masa' (extra month) is added to correct the calendar shifting that creeps in due to error in value of days in a solar year (365.25875 days instead of the correct 365.24220 days). Actuallly, the mala masa is added every three years to reconcile the lunar calendar with the solar calendar.
He is also under the impression (p.331) that Indian calendars are solar calendars - actuallly mostly these are composite calendars, where the lunar & the solar passage is tracked side by side. In fact, there are five aspects in alll, which are tracked & reconciled simultaneously, hence the name 'panchang' (having five parts) is used for Indian calendars.
Mr. Sen offers copious notes & references. Some of these are themselves quite interesting, though a great many tend to be from Left-oriented perspective, or commentators. This is acceptable & discountable, once we know & accept Mr. Sen's own political preferences. Quite a few of the references tend to be to his own writings or to that of his own family members, which sounds a bit like plugging.
For page references, I have used the hardcover Penguin edition published under the Allen Lane banner. The book has been bound nicely, has a beautifully illustrated cover & is printed well. However, the paper is rather like newsprint, & tends to absorb ink, if you like making notes in the margins. The book is also quite large - you can't carry it with you on trips, so it may be a good idea to go for the paperback.
After reading both 'Identity & Violence' (Identity & Violence: The Illusion of Destiny (Issues of Our Time)), & 'Argumentative Indian', it is reasonably clear that the political animal in Mr. Sen is more wily than the intellectual in him. Treat his historical, cultural books as engaging, interesting but carefully disguised polemic, & you will be quite fine.
Interesting but makes boring reading - By: T. Mahmood, 27 Sep 2006 
I found the book interesting to start off with but soon lost the will to read as the author keeps pounding the same theme again & again. The dude may be a economist but certainly not a good writer!
I would just read the reviews of this book sparing valuable time.
Accessible, Intellectual Holiday (or Domestic) Reading - By: thinkatronic bleep phreak, 11 Jan 2006 
In which Nobel Prize winning economist & thinker Amartya Sen tackles a variety of subjects relating to the subcontinent from ancient Vedic times to the present day in a very readable collection of essays & articles.
Themes covered include Hindu art & literature, Indian nationalism, the secular state, India's colonial past, Gandhi & so on. No great surprises in the choice of ground to cover but the perspective is a refreshing one. As a very successful NRI (non-resident Indian, an expat) Sen has no axe to grind & casts a dispassionate (some would say Western) eye over the last four thousand years of Indian culture & history.
A must-read for anyone interested in getting more than a cursory impression of this ancient & complex country. The perfect companion the the essential Rough Guide to India.
Argumentative indian - By: , 27 Aug 2005 
He is one of the very original writers in India. His view of Hindutva, Indian education & culture is very thought provoking. In most of the place in this book, he provides a sharp picture of good & ills of current & past India. He pours his deep anguish regarding the high-jacking of the Indianness by the Hindutva. He recites about the need of education for the India masses. For a fresher to India this book will provide an unbiased & original view of current & past India.
